The story of independence/dependence is one of contention in my moneyless life.
I sit between competing worldviews and internal voices. Below are two pieces of writing created at different times in the last few months.
Does the truth lie somewhere in between?
‘Independence’:
I’m feeling bad. I have been too dependent on others for the last several weeks and it’s getting hard to keep the guilt at bay. I also notice I’m slipping – not being as careful in my consumption (of other people’s resources) as usual. I have not been using money, but I have also been living too well by the good graces of my friends and family. I’ve found a new home, but for now, while I wait for the final stars to align, I try to deal with these feelings of guilt.
I don’t know if it’s the right thing to do – talking so openly about my shortcomings – but I want to be authentic. This reliance on others is one of the tricky parts of doing what I’m doing.
Yes, I am helping people out. No, they don’t mind me being around and using their electricity, water and sharing in their food. I DO mind though.
I would do the same for anyone else myself, of course, but there’s something in this situation that troubles me. I claim to be living without money; therefore, I must take care not to transfer the ‘money’ issue onto others.
Can I resolve this inner turmoil? It’s human to doubt and feel guilt – to question oneself.
I read the words above and remember what is real. I remember why I am trying to do what I am trying to do. I am not getting it ‘right’ all the time – I am learning as I go. I am doing better than I was before. That needs to be enough for now.
‘Dependence’:
In our Western culture, my value is mostly derived from how I contribute financially. The erroneous idea, drummed into me all my life, that I must strive to be self contained, not ‘bludge’ off others, meet my own needs, is damaging to me, humanity as a whole and our beloved planet.
I am meant to be reliant on others. Others are meant to be reliant on me. I am interdependent. We are all part of one big whole – dependent at all times on the beautiful web of life.
This false sense of independence we are taught to value in the West is supported by the use of money. Money gives the appearance of a kind of independence. It seems as though we can just go out and buy what we need and separate ourselves from any need to rely on others.
Money simply creates distance from the source of the things we consume, but we are still completely dependent on all the things that go into every product – the people who work to bring that thing to life and the planet for providing the necessary resources.
Money simply blinds us to the bigger picture of consumption.
For most of human existence we have lived collaboratively, in groups, helping one another out and caring – often without the use of money.
This collaborative life is still running concurrently with our money-oriented lives. It exists on the periphery of ‘normal’ life. Our moneyless collaborations are sidelined, given barely a second thought, as we continue striving to achieve ‘independence’.
Hi Jo,
I’ve just read your New Idea interview. What an amazing thing you are doing! I hope all is well 😊
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Thanks for that. All is reasonably well. Struggling with the dilemma in this post a bit right now because I have the flu and am staying at daughter’s place while I recover………
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The flu has hit hard this year and affected alot of people. Rest up and drink plenty of water. Feel better soon Jo
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Hi Jo,
I also read your article. I find it an interesting idea. Good for you!
I am reading your blog. Keep up the good work. Betsy
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Thanks Betsy. Let me know if there are any particular questions you have that are not answered in my blog and maybe I can address them. Cheers, Jo
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Hi Chernal,
I couldn’t find the article: The New Idea interview. How do I do? Thanks
Florence
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Florence, it’s in a magazine – not online, unfortunately. The magazine is no longer around either……..
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I think what you are doing is amazing and I swing between wanting life’s luxuries and trying to be self sufficient. I wish you well and a speedy recovery from illness x
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Thanks Tandey.
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Hi again Jo,
I think that yes, western ideas of independence and dependence are barking up the wrong tree which is adding to your confusion.
We are communal creatures and not meant to be alone so how do we resolve the dilemma of independence vs dependence.
Try another concept.. interdependence.. we cannot grow enough food for a varied diet, alone or especially as a family so we rely on others to grow some things that we cannot. in exchange we supply something that they cannot. Now to the unfortunate western bit.. we use money instead of barter but.. our skills in providing something they cannot are used to earn that money. In your case your talking events are providing others with insight and education. Your presence is providing company and I am sure there is much more of worth that is not monetary, for which your friends are happy to exchange a little electricity and such.
many blessings,
hope to meet one day,
Ralph
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You’re spot on, Ralph. ‘Interdependence’ is the best word to describe the ‘natural’ way humans work together (in my opinion having lived this life and experienced it directly). Thanks for your input. Yes, maybe we’ll cross paths at some point. Cheers, Jo
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Jo! how beautiful this post is. I Couldn’t agree more with you. It’s great work you r doing for the society.
The idea that, because we live in a capitalist society the only way to grant our children a future is to seek for a huge sum of money is is superficially plausible, but actually wrong! Capitalism seek for efficiency, in other words, we could have the same profits selling more or using less RESOURCES and by IMPLICATION you are proving how much consumerism is separating us from a better society.
Cheers!
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Glad you agree, Diogo. Thanks.
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So amazing how it resonates with me.guilt guilt guilt. It’s terrible. Igual felt and still feel so bad about depending on other people resourses too.
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Helo. Im from Poland. I also live entirely without money – already 1.5 year. No income, no spending, even no touch. My lifestyle is based on mutual with people cooperation. I share, they share, I help, they help. Suprisingly, I am widely educated – several academic different diplomas (pedagogy, psychology, economy) a have had much own business experience.
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Wonderful! Good to hear from you. Best of luck with it. 🙂
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Hi dear Jo,
Just want to add that money breaks a crucial feedback loop from the feed and the feeder. Aboriginal people had a very tight connection to the supply or better said the natural harvest. The instinctively knew how many people could be supported by a given area of nature and they would suffer if that was exceeded. In our economy money removes that as if our population climbs beyond current levels farmers just cause more damage by farming even greater areas or use more fertilisers or if crops “fail” we import them from distant places with the associated damaging co2 footprints…. and no one but the earth suffers. If this loop was intact we would go hungry and we would learn that caring alleviated that… that not exceeding a certain demand stopped or minimised hunger. Maybe we need these normal natural feedbacks
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Nicely said. We are very much out of touch, aren’t we? It’s true that living without money helps me to be more ‘in touch’ with the things I consume – where they come from and who/what is affected.
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Yess exactly, “who/what is affected” and you get to see that at the time. You get to see that stand of trees with the birds that love to nest there, or the coalas that have been there for ages so when the decision looms that more is needed the heart can shout back… needed? Really? What about nature needs? ….. leading to other thoughts such as can I do without it or how else can I achieve that….instead of the expedient rip and plunder as if money and business was the be all that trumps everything in its path. I mean if that stand of trees was actually the farmers daughters house would the same expedience apply? I have huge respect for you and Aboriginal ways of thought the little that I know of them….. Many blessings to you.
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Thanks for your frankness about the conundrum of your feelings of guilt. None of us are perfect and at times we are our biggest critics. Independence and collaboration may be near unachievable, I would strive for ‘Interdependence’ and collaboration, the difference being a recognition of the need to give and take assistance or liike for like, and no need for guilt #jolowimpact
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Hi Jo. I’m Storm and I am preparing to go $free.. So I am very interested in what you r doing n a fan:). Where r u based pls?
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Hi Storm. Great to hear from you and hope your journey is smooth. I am based in Northern NSW, Australia. Where are you located?
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Hi Jo. Tx for the reply. I’m based in dinmore south of Brisbane at the moment but looking for a place to put my caravan rent free soon…. Would you happen to know any Max ish 1 hour away from Brisbane n close to public transport by any chance? 🙂 u seem well networked…..all my family live in Denmark n I only moved to Oz 6 years ago
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Wow, you’re not far from here. I’m really only tied into the local network around Lismore, unfortunately. If I were you I would visit the Dorothy Day House in Greenslopes and have a chat with my friend Andy and the gang there. They might have some tips. Maybe send me an email and we can talk more: jo.nemeth69@gmail.com
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